Diesel prices hiked by an unprecedented 5 Rs./lit!

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  1. TheMightyS

    TheMightyS ActiveRAIDer

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    what would be more beneficial in the longer run would be hiking the price of Diesel cars meant for private use .. that way the money rolls in.. and the price can be stabilised.. it compensates for the losses and keeps cost of public transportation at a minimum.. even transportation of consumables which are non-essential goods can be taxed .. what i am saying is tax the rich -- the HIG .. who are willing to spend lavishly just to save on Income Tax by increasing wasteful expenditure..

    the move on diesel vehicles was even tabled in last budget but got sidelined by the auto lobby and god knows what
     
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    JD666 RAID Leader Staff Member

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    ^^ Yes, coz petrol is so expensive that no one wants to buy Petrol Vehicles. If they tax diesel vehicles then the auto industry goes down.

    If they de-regulate the price of diesel, then people are free to choose, what would they buy? More expensive, better mileage, decently expensive Diesel fueled cars or Cheaper, slightly lower mileage, more expensive Petrol cars?
     
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  3. TheMightyS

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    ^^ there you got me right.. sort of.. if u increase price of diesel cars .. people will make an educated choice whether to buy petrol or diesel variant depending on use and km's driven rather than the regular uncle saying Diesel sasta padta hai (diesel is cheaper ) .. and the cost of transportation still remains the same.. remember those buying cars can AFFORD IT.. those using public transport may or may not be able to .. so the choice is whether to starve the already starving or to take some moolah outta people who wouldnt find it a pain... frankly i dont believe in socialism.. but we need to keep the interest of the general public in mind..
     
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  4. RajaPraveen

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    So 990 million people in India travel by bus? and they travel 3 hours every day for 2 square meal? where did get these numbers from? what happens to the share of people who live in rural area and have small business including farms and stuff? what happens about very small number :D of people who use two wheeler? please don't post numbers unless you have a clue.

    Just because you live in a city and see crowded buses and trains and the working community does not mean it represents the whole of India.It is so easy to quote the poor and get sympathy but instead of complaining are we doing anything about it? if you have a car or bike are you trying to pool in people and save fuel? how many times are you taking your vehicle for a ride with zero purpose behind it?

    There are people in the world who die because they cant get one proper meal in a week but here we are blessed enough to travel 3 hours in a bus to earn a decent wage and meal.

    We know our government is not right but it is not just the government's fault because as citizens we are as bad or even worse,read about how the Japanese are always willing to take initiative and how they do things on their own in proper legal way when the govt fails, we here in our country like to complain (well mostly) and rarely do things to improve our societies quality of life.

    My grandmother would walk 20 miles every day just to sell milk in exchange of rice so she can feed her children(she was not rich enough to use the bus), my father worked from the age of 11 because he was not able to afford studies and did not get proper food, both never complain but they rather taught me that the world ain't perfect and you have to fight to survive.From earning 6 rupees a month my father has now has become into a person who is worth many million dollars, and that happend because he came up with his own solution for the issues he faced(legally), he was smart and a survivor.

    Is the fuel price hike bad? yes, but as citizens are we using fuel properly now that the price in increasing? and help reduce the overall consumption and in turn try and minimalize the effect of fuel price rise as much as possible, i seriously doubt that.
     
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  5. MohitGamer

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    "used for upliftment of the poor" - a.k.a. The Politicians having accounts in Swiss Bank.
     
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  6. TheMightyS

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    did i say all travel by bus.. or commute for 3 hours .. please do not mis-quote or misinterpret me .. u forgot the word upto which one of my staff does when he changes two buses and a train to reach my store.. and yes i am doing my little bit by walking 2km daily to and back from my store .. and yes there are people who die hungry .. but all i can do i read and grieve..

    i do my bit through a trust my parents and their friends have created for the needy looking to help the poor by means of free cataract operations .. it operates 6000 patients a year returning vision and livelihood to all those they can

    so yes we can ask our fellow members to do the most they can.. and frankly even with the price hike.. do u think the rich spoilt brats would do anything to conserve fuel.. i guess no.. thats y i am saying tax the super rich so that the poor dont suffer.. give them a realistic chance to survival at least
     
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  7. DaRampage

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    I think this is a very smart move by Dr.Manmohan Singh.
    Increasing the prices of Diesel and at same time allowing FDI in multi-brand retail.
    People might now get the proper idea.

    For 40 million Indians (3.3% of Indian population) - the middlemen, why should we make the rest of India suffer. These 40 million people (dunno whether the stats include their families as well) should try to look for alternatives.
    Some of these will also be getting jobs when some bigger unit like Walmart comes as they would be needing workers/drivers etc. So it's not that these people just gonna die with no food. They will earn but the profits will be less.
     
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    Please mention a name of politician who has got an account in Swiss bank. Also mention his account number. (And if possible some of the account details like the exact amount he have in it).
    Look the point is instead of solving our own problems, if we just (Hawa Mein Teer) make accusations and expect that there are 1 lakh crores...100 lakh crores...1000 lakh crores...1million lakh crores in Swiss Bank which are waiting for us and should be brought and our problems will disappear, it will take us no where.
    We should first try to find ways in which we can satisfy ourselves (solve our problems) with what we got. If we have our money over there, it will come to us some day.
    One of the reasons I hate that Ramdev (never call him Baba cuz some people call their father or grand father as Baba with respect and this guy doesn't deserves that respect) who wants to come in news. He closes his eyes, writes down some zeros...gets a number...comes in public and says this is the amount of money these politicians have saved in their Swiss Bank so vote for me, not for them.


    They think, make people angry and they will stand up for change, remember changes brought in anger are 'always' wrong. (Reason why I have written 'always'; Even if the outcome is right in some cases, the reason why people stood up was wrong and it will not be a stable change).
    We need people who can share some knowledge about what's going on...what's right and what's wrong...not people who just wants popularity. And we have such people. :(
    I'm sad because we don't have the people of India listening to such logic.
     
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  9. rpm

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    some on the wheels stuff:

    1. there is an interesting phenomenon to be noted on the roads of karol bagh:

    a. business days: the road is jam packed with vehicles. 40% of the road is occupied by hatchback cars parked by very careless men. there is a well staffed police station on the same road.

    b. non-business days, esp monday (karol bagh shops are closed) : the police puts barriers on the road, resulting in traffic trickling - only vehicles can pass the barrier at a time.

    Both scenarios cause my car to consume 300-700ml of fuel for a distance of <2kms. IF i skip karol bagh or travel super early morning ( leaving home at 7 am!) , i get a 4-7kmpl bump in mileage for a total 40 liters of fuel. And that is when i drive really harsh.

    2. my same car, when with a petrol engine, gives a maximum mileage of 11, compared to a min-max of 13-19 kmpl for diesel. the cars themselves have a price margin of around 80k. considering that i drove around 2.2k km per month, and taking a standard price of Rs. 65 for both fuels, it should be common sense to think who is more environment and economy friendly.

    3. Europe 'runs' on standard Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel ( ULSD) while we run on Low Sulphur Diesel (LSD). Maybe nobody noticed, but most diesel engines deployed on vehicles in this country are European. pollution norms in europe are way more strict and much more tightly monitored.

    4. The unsung heroes of diesel consumption might be the industries. For an example, my previous office premises with 6 floors and a sitting of 1000 people using computers and central air conditioning plus one data center had minimum monthly consumption of 12000 liters of diesel fuel. In a relatively better part of haryana in terms of power availability. half of these computers were 65W laptops.

    5. The gurgaon toll way has, at times led to consumption of one extra liter of fuel per trip. that same amount of fuel is 3 days worth of fuel consumption for my neighbour's office commute. I also pay Rs 22 to cross this said toll way. that adds up to 5 days of commute for the fellow next door.
     
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    ^^ only correction :p toll is 21
     
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    Sorry, Confidential Information...Can't disclose. :shaking:
    If I tell you, I will have to KILL you !! :p
     
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    - Controlling Fiscal deficit and a krappy economy is more worry than Diesel subsidy. 5 Rs increase was long due. You cannot milk Petrol owners all the time for diseases called subsidy and sops.
    - Unfortunately there is no way subsidy can be removed altogether in our developing nation.

    Finally this eunuch govt has shown some hairy balls to do a little for economy. But like they say, I am sure some joker would do enough to undo the good.
     
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