Moz's epic keyboard thread

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  1. MohitGamer

    MohitGamer ActiveRAIDer

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    It's the First in the Whole Neighboring Solar Systems, Galaxies and Planets. The FIRST Ever since Big Bang happened and Eve stuffed an Apple in Adam's mouth. The first ever since Mughals and British attacked India. First ever since the Great Pyramids was built. The First ever since Hitler hoisted the Flag of German Supremacy on the World Map. The Power of Gods in the hands of Moz the Boz.
    HAIL HYDRA ... !!
     
  2. MOZ

    MOZ RAID Leader Staff Member

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    LOL, definitely not the first in that big a domain, you have to check geekhack and:
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  3. MOZ

    MOZ RAID Leader Staff Member

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    Got another haul of stuff for the keyboard. Pictures later.
     
  4. MOZ

    MOZ RAID Leader Staff Member

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    Today's haul. A visit to Chandni Chowk medical supplies market and Lajpat Rai yet again.

    Anyone want something strong to drink? 99% Iso Propyl Alcohol for cleaning the PCB and other electrical stuff:
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    Desoldering Iron, for when you make a mistake or have to remove something:
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    Cheap Multimeter:
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    Misc supplies:
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    Some TRRS cables. Just in case my one doesn't work. I don't get why the manufacturer would ahve clear PVC shielding on a nylon braid :confused:
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    Assortment of laptop feet which will be used for tenting the keyboard:
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    And finally some super hard to find in low quantities (I failed too, had to get a pound of this, should last me my lifetime) 63%tin-37%lead solder wire. The usual one is 60%tin-40%lead. The 63-37 is the eutectic solder, so it melts at only a given point and not in a temperature range. What is means in real world scenarios is that the solder will solidify instantly and exit only as a liquid or solid, nothing in between. This means very less chance of cold joints:
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    All pictures taken using newly acquired 600D.
     
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  5. MOZ

    MOZ RAID Leader Staff Member

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    So, the remaining electronics arrived along with some soldering iron tips.

    MCP23018 I/O extender, communication between left and right hands:
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    Female TRRS connectors, connection between left and right hands:
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    Female mini-usub connector:
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    Soldering tips:
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    All we await now is for the PCB to arrive, and then building the keyboard should take a day or two
     
  6. dbg

    dbg RAID Staff Staff Member

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    What are you making exactly ?
     
  7. ViKiD

    ViKiD RAID Rookie

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    Them printing device.
     
  8. MOZ

    MOZ RAID Leader Staff Member

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    Something like this:

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  9. dbg

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    Hot DAMN !!!
     
  10. JD666

    JD666 RAID Leader Staff Member

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    I want one too, once you are done with the first piece.

    Or how about a GO? ( You the manufacturer/supplier :p )
     
  11. BANHAMMER

    BANHAMMER Teh Almighty BanHammer Staff Member

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    keep posted us with entire logbook.
     
  12. MOZ

    MOZ RAID Leader Staff Member

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    Got some 80g springs today.

    These will go into the switches and replace the current 55g springs. This should increase the clickiness of the switches and I personally prefer more weighted springs. Low weight springs feel as if I can type just by sneezing on them :p

    Pictures of the springs and process of switching them out later.
     
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    Are they clickity click loud too ? :D
     
  14. MOZ

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    Yes. I am using Cherry MX Blue, which are the clickity-clack types. And they are quite loud.

    The heavier springs should make them louder.

    For Cherry MX switches there are a couple of things to note:
    1. Tactile/Linear - A distinct bump is felt when the switch is pressed, this is tactile. If there is no bump felt, then it is a linear switch. Traditionally, linear are preferred for gaming and tactile for typing.
    2. Clicky - A distinct sound is heard each time the key switch is depressed. This occurs due to two part assembly of the stem that is pressed. Th bottom part is responsible for the noise.
    3. Weight of springs - The weight of the springs decides how much force is required to depress the switch.
    4. Lubrication - Lubricating the insides of the switch can result in dampening the sound, and increasing the weight of the springs, and making the switch more smoother.
    5. Stickers - These make the switch more sturdy by making the fit of the top and bottom part of a switch tighter.

    More here:
    Mechanical Keyboard Guide | Das Keyboard Blog
    Deskthority wiki
     
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    Whoa ! What ?? :confused:
     
  16. MOZ

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    Corrected and that is why I need a new keyboard.
     
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    BANHAMMER Teh Almighty BanHammer Staff Member

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    Is there a difference between the type of game in question. Some games like FPS require much quicker response than RPG or something. I wonder if that matters. Not to mention that if you will keep forward key pressed all the time(barring only when you stop or wait which is never more than 10%)
     
  18. MOZ

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    The preference is truly a matter of choice.

    The reason linear is marketed as gamers vs tactile for typists, is they (Companies selling boards) believe that touch typists should get audible or atleast a physical acknowledgement that the key has been pressed (Thus the bump when you press the key, meaning it has been registered), while linear is recommended for gaming because the bump is a hindrance and when double tapping a key, the feedback is not accurate, as clicky (Read not tactile) are two part and thus can cause a problem when double tapping).

    So that is how they sell it. Ofcourse their logic is BS. Truth is, you need to try as many switches as possible, on different mountings (Plate, PC:cool: with different springs, keycaps, lubes, stickers, to see which one suits your taste best.

    Factors for choosing a switch:
    - Switch Stem - The shape which deices clickyness and linear/tactile
    - Switch Spring - The weight, how much force is required to press a key
    - Lubricant - Depending on viscosity and amount applied, the keyfeel can vary a lot
    - Stickering - Adds stability
    - PCB Mounting - Different feel to Plate mounted
    - Plate Mounting Material - Aluminium/Plastic/Steel/Acrylic, they al have their own feel
    - Keycap Profile - The different contour of the keycaps tops
    - Keycap Material - The material (Zinc/Polycarb/Steel/Alu/Ti/ABS/PBT/POM/Wood), and how quickly it shines
    - Keycap Thickness - The thickness adds weight, does varying practical weight of springs, and the feel as well
    - Keycap finish - The finish on the top of a keeycap is very important too
    - Legends - How the legends are printed is very important. Double Shots have a distinct difference to DyeSub and laser, and so on)

    These are the ones I can remember, I may have missed something.
     
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  19. JD666

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    So are you planning a mass supply of this once MOZ01 gets completed?
     
  20. MOZ

    MOZ RAID Leader Staff Member

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    Yes mass supply is planned, if there are enough buyers.

    10k All assembled with blank DCS keycaps, shipped.

    Get me 10 buyers who will pay upfront, and you have a deal!
     
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